conservativebrew:

mediaattaque:

conservativebrew:

evilteabagger:

totallynotadrian:

FTFY

Also, contracts are agreed to. Social “contracts” are forced upon people at birth.

 So, since I was born in a public hospital, do I thus belong to the state?

Think about it this way:

Would you deny other families the ability to give birth in a public hospital?

You’re twisting Warren’s message and willfully missing the point. Obviously no one is talking about legally making you property (we have a 13th amendment now, what a progressive thought). What we’re doing is pointing out the flaw in your logic: That your status of life is entirely a result of willpower, with no help from the society into which you were born. If prior generations had been as stingy with their money as ours, you may not have been born or born healthily. Why deny future generations the privilege of living and living healthily, with plentiful opportunity? So you can have a few extra boats when you retire? Just find a no-tax government if you believe that’s your entitlement.

 @mediaattaque,

What we’re doing is pointing out the flaw in your logic: That your status of life is entirely a result of willpower, with no help from the society into which you were born. My status in life is not a result of willpower nor the society – it’s a result of MY decisions, MY actions and MY responsibilities. If prior generations had been as stingy with their money as ours, you may not have been born or born healthily. #1, thank God past generations weren’t so pro-“choice” as they are now (right?) because I may not have been born at all! #2, prior generations DON’T OWE ME ANYTHING and #3, in 2010 60% of Americans give money to charity - and that’s in a bad economy. In 2007 (right before the recession), the American populace gave a record $295 billion dollars to charity. In case you wanted to know, that’s more to charity, per capita and as a percentage of gross domestic product. Stingy with our money? Hardly. Why deny future generations the privilege of living and living healthily, with plentiful opportunity? Who’s denying them? Me or the federal government? So long as the government doesn’t interfere or overtly intrudes into their lives (unlike what Ms. Warren is saying) future generations have the same plentiful opportunity as me and you. So you can have a few extra boats when you retire? Yeah, if I can afford them, then why not? find a no-tax government if you believe that’s your entitlement. And finally, the biggest difference between me and you: you believe that you are entitled to something, I on the other hand, believe I’m entitled to only the things I work for, strive for and save up money for. So forgive me for thinking that I should be able to keep the vast majority of MY money regardless if I make $10,000 or $100,000.

Calm down there, Fido. This will be my last reblog on this post, so don’t get too worked up.

1) You continue to completely ignore the fact that if your parents, prior world leaders, prior generations had made different decisions, acted differently, felt they had different responsibilities, then your life could have been very different, no matter what you tried to do about it. I may consider giving you the benefit of the doubt if you state that you came from a position of hardship and have educated yourself to the point of making money despite the odds being against you. However, you don’t argue like that. You argue like you come from comfort and stability.

2) Hey, let’s bring in abortion!….Nah, on second that, that has nothing to do with anything.

In a strict sense, no, prior generations don’t owe anything to future generations, but it’s just common decency, isn’t it? I mean, isn’t that your party’s basis for not borrowing too much money? So we don’t make our precious, white American grandchildren have to pay for it with higher taxes? I think even John Boehner would agree with me that just because we don’t have an OBLIGATION to not screw over future generations, it doesn’t mean we should indulge to the point of depriving them of a better life.

3) I never argued that individuals aren’t charitable. They are and I’m glad they are. They should continue to be charitable. But individual charity alone does not sustain the functions of government that create a prosperous and equitable society. Do you honestly believe that public hospital would have existed as a charitable institution? Do you think that would be the uniform case across the country? Charity goes to very specific causes and cannot guarantee equal access to all American citizens. It COMPLEMENTS our societal contributions, it does not replace them. Why only support half a system? Why not go for the best possible scenario? Private charities working together with a public system accountable to the populace? Seems to me like an easy excuse to get out of paying your fair share. “It’s okay, the charities got this. No need to get my money involved.”

4) No. There’s been a recession. The inequality gap in this country is growing. If you think that simply letting the wealthy get wealthier without any efforts to keep developing our middle and lower classes will result in an acceptable amount of opportunity in the future, then you are beyond remedy.

5) Because people are dying, CB. People are starving. People are sick. Trust me, you’ll probably still be able to afford your boats after paying taxes. Your kids might just have to WORK for those boats just like you did. But the opportunity cost of letting you spend all of your profits frivolously while the working backbone of our country rots and dies is too great to justify.

6) I believe I have rights. I know I have legal rights listed in the Constitution. I have the right to petition my government. I have the right to express my views. And as a voting citizen I want my government to ensure the universal right to LIVE. FREELY. It’s not just freedom from oppressive political leaders that we should be entitled to. Just as you want to be free from the spectre of communism, most in this country want to be free from the stifling usurious system of unchecked capitalism. We want to progress. That is true freedom. So you can say I feel entitled to that freedom much as you feel entitled to your right to assemble, criticize the President, or vote.

Finally, if you’re making $10,000 to $100,000 a year, you probably are keeping a “vast majority” of your money. Hell, we’re only talking about making the richest people in this country pay 32% of their income. What’s the damn difference between having $400,000 a year or $600,000 a year? A really nice boat?